FBI asking Nancy Guthrie’s neighbors about construction crews at nearby home building site — day 45.
Hey guys, thanks so much for checking out my show. I really really appreciate it. Uh please click to subscribe. I appreciate all your support. Uh today is day 45 in the search uh for Nancy Guthrie, which is kind of crazy. It’s now officially been about a month and a half since Nancy went missing on February 1st.
A couple of new developments today that I’ve learned about. Um, I have confirmed through sources that the FBI has been back in Nancy Guthri’s neighborhood over the last 24 hours or so, going back to neighbors houses and asking more questions. Uh, some of the things that I know that they’re talking about is there’s one neighbor um that moved out before uh Nancy disappeared.
Uh, and they have been asking more questions about that situation. Um, not to say that that has anything to do with what happened, but that is something that the FBI agents are are asking about. Um, and then also, and this I found to be particularly interesting, they are asking about there’s several houses that are under construction in the neighborhood, and they are asking specifically for names of contractors and workers who uh were working in the neighborhood on those houses, on those construction pro uh projects. And I’m
talking about like specifics, like they want the names of all the contractors and workers who are working on those houses. And I saw the construction while I was there just driving around. Um there are several houses under construction in the area. Uh so that to me is an interesting new nugget uh that I just found out about today.
Uh, so I’m going to discuss that uh and a couple of other new things that I learned uh about what’s going on behind the scenes with the investigation uh with my friend and former FBI special agent Steve Moore. >> All right, Steve, it’s it’s nice to see you. Thank you so much uh for joining me.
Um there’s a couple of things I wanted to ask you about. I was thinking about you this morning because a few little uh sort of I call them nuggets have come out with the um with the Nancy Guthrie case. The first thing is I’m back I’m back home in Florida, but I obviously like made a lot of friends in the neighborhood and stuff and one of the neighbors texted me this morning.
Um she texted me early. Uh she said, “I wanted to tell you that the FBI came over today, had some more questions um about some things that I saw. They also called my friend who’s building a house uh down the street from Nancy. They wanted to know all of the workers and contractors at that house. Leads me to the conclusion that they are no further along uh than day two.
That’s just what she thought. But what what I was interested in is um they wanted to know all of the workers and contractors from a house that’s being built down the street. What does that say to you? >> Um well, obviously it means they’re retracing steps. And you know, I’ve used this analogy with you before.
Say you can’t find your car keys. And uh you go you walk through the house or the apartment, you look for where you usually leave them. They’re not there. Then you have to go back and you have to retrace and you have to say, “Hey, what pants were I wearing or where’s my purse or whatever like that?” And you go to the second level.
When you get down to the third or fourth level, these are things you don’t usually check, but you may start pulling cushions off beds. uh or off off couches, things like that. You’ll go in deeper and deeper and deeper. And so people say, “Why didn’t the FBI do this already?” Because the normal search yields your keys in about 20 seconds.
You know, the secondary search yields them in about 2 to 5 minutes. And if you start with undoing um undoing the the couches or the couch cushions in your living room, you’ll never get to the bedroom where the keys are. So they are now obviously to the point where they are pulling up uh cushions in the couch. And I think that would explain they are not actually at day two, though I understand completely why it seems that way.
they are um where they would have been if they if all else all normal searches didn’t work. >> And just specifically with workers and contractors like in my neighborhood right now there’s a lot of construction and I mean there’s just an enormous amount of people that come in and out that are working on houses. Um and you can kind of I mean they they are not people that I recognize from the neighborhood.
They’re usually in work trucks. They’re in pickup trucks. Um, is there anything specific that stands out to you that they’re looking at a house that’s being built and trying to talk to all the workers involved? Does does that stand out for a specific reason or do you just think they’re trying to cover everything? >> No, it it does stand out for one reason.
I don’t know if you’re going to find this fascinating or not, but um the theory of the crime is a big deal. Uh the theory of the crime informs every other bit of investigation you do. And from the beginning, the theory of the crime has been that this was targeted. That this wasn’t a random a random thing where somebody goes to a house, he doesn’t know who he’s going to find inside.
He’s thinking, I’ll just get the usual cash in the in the underwear drawer and you know, some jewelry, watches, something like that. But no, this that’s not what happened here. according to everything I’ve seen and according uh by this investigation uh that the FBI believes they believe that this is targeted. So then you have to find out um who would target it, you know, obviously going back to the beginning, but there are two or three areas.
Did they target Nancy? Did they target Savannah? Did they target uh Annie? Uh it they targeted this residence for a specific purpose. I believe 100% they knew that Nancy Guthrie was on the other side of that door when they were trying to cover up the Ring camera. So this goes to the point that while the FBI may have changed their theory of why she was targeted, they have not for one minute changed their theory that she was targeted.
And so to target somebody, you have to in some way, shape, or form come in contact with them. >> And you think that leads back to why they’re interested in a in a like a contractor from down the street? >> Yeah, I would think so. and and not necessarily that there’s an indication that any of those contractors have done anything wrong or those workmen have done anything wrong, but they are people who would have uh very possibly come in contact with Nancy.
And I think one of the main things that I would like to find out if I was if if they would let me in on the case is um uh how how um ambulatory was she? how how traveling was she? Uh she had a car. Um and but she didn’t go to church at her local church. She uh she uh zoomed it uh with her or she she followed their online uh services for a church in New York that that Savannah went to.
So that leads me to believe that she didn’t get out of the house as much. So then that that complicates things because she doesn’t come into contact with that many people. Did she walk every day? What if she walked past the construction site? There’s lots of things like that. >> Yeah, she um she used to walk. The neighbors told me, I think like years ago, there was actually a group of them that would all walk together and she was part of that group.
But I think it’s been a while. I mean, I think her health has really been >> um you know, even some of the neighbors told me like they were kind of worried about her sometimes like they didn’t see her coming out of the house as much, that kind of thing. >> Right. Right. And so then that would lead one to believe that maybe it was somebody who came into the house uh you know for or came to her house or uh you know this kind of thing happens.
I mean you’ve you’ve probably uh seen this kind of thing where you get a door knock and somebody says, “Hey, I’m cutting trees down the block and I thought while I’m here I can give you a deal and cut some of your trees or do you need a gardener or anything like that?” she doesn’t have to get out necessarily for somebody to door knock her.
And so what I would be interested in in combination with this is any solicitors that came by any of the houses in the neighborhoods uh in the weeks beforehand. >> Yeah. And I know most contractors and people working on houses are just doing their jobs and aren’t I mean it’s not like they’re bad people normally, obviously.
Actually, someone emailed me the other day because I was talking about contractors and said, “We’re contractors, me and my husband, and you gave us a bad rap.” Obvious most of them are good, but it does make sense. Those are like I was just thinking back to my neighborhood. Those are really the outsiders that come in. You know what I mean? Like, >> they are.
And and and frequently to to the person who contacted you about contractors, I I’ll agree 100%. I am not casting aspersions on contractors, but there are people who come into neighborhoods specifically to case places who masquerade as contractors. Um, or you know, and and there is no profession that uh that is without uh its problem child.
I mean, the worst spy in the history of the world, I think, came from the FBI internally. So, I I and I love the FBI, so I’m certainly not jamming on contractors, but it is possible that somebody uh at that job site um found a reason to um go into that house. something else. Yesterday, Steve, in my episode, I interviewed before I left, I interviewed one of NY’s neighbors who I hadn’t talked to before, and she brought up something really interesting, um, which other people have have noticed on NY’s front door, and a lot of the houses there have it. There’s
it’s not a screen door, but it’s like a, um, it’s like a security gate. You know how people have those? And there’s a regular door, and then there’s it’s like bars, and it has a lock. And I’m told that you have to have a key to lock it from um the outside and from the inside, >> right? >> And and this neighbor had one too.
And her theory was the guy who went to the front door, she believes there was someone else already inside the house and that that guy was coming to the front door to help that other person get Nancy out because she she just says most people there lock their security door and there would be no way to get in. That would be very hard to break through the the security gate.
You know what I mean? >> Yeah. Oh, I’ve I’ve I’ve gotten through a bunch of them when I was on SWAT. You have to have special special tools, crowbars, things like that, and they’re very noisy or we had some hydraulic things that that moved them out of the way. So, they are substantial, but and and that’s possible.
I’m not saying that didn’t happen. Uh but my theory on this would be that if a person can get into the house uh without being seen by the uh by a Ring camera, then they can get out of the house by being seen by a Ring camera. And it would it would tend to be kind of a goofy move when the guy says, “I’m in and you know, the camera’s in front and I’m in without getting seen.
” Um, why would you then send somebody to the front door, >> right? And she also may not have locked the um she may not have locked the security gate. I mean, especially since it takes a key on the inside, maybe she just had it closed. Although when she went home from having dinner at her um when she went home from having dinner at her daughter’s, you know, when she was last seen, the garage, it sounds like she would go in and out through the garage because they were able to tell that the garage opened, which makes me
think maybe she did have the security gate locked if she didn’t even really use the front door very much. Well, if if the um I think if I remember correctly, her uh garage is on the side of her house and so I think it would be longer to go in through the uh uh go in around the house and through the front door in in the heat usually in Arizona, right? Uh than it would be to go through the garage and uh and come in that way.
You’d be in the house much faster. So, that may be it. The other thing is that people get complacent and I I’m not saying this as a criticism, but uh because you know I I I have to fight this myself. Um you know who’s going to who’s going to bother me? You know who’s going to come into this neighborhood and cause me problems? Um, so I would I believe that uh the one the those kind of uh gates that I’m familiar with, they all had a a a normal uh doorork knob on the inside and the outside so you can get in and out if it wasn’t locked with
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Uh but uh first of all if it if it’s unlocked by a key from the inside and the outside and you don’t have a key to the outside you don’t have a key to the inside. So how’s his friend gonna unlock it? Um that’s one thing I would think of. The other the other >> That’s a good point. Yeah. And so um the other thing is I remember again from SWAT because and it’s ironic how many of these things actually uh transfer across because we had to get into homes at 3:00 in the morning at night without arousing suspicion at least get till the point
where we breached a door. And one of the things we would do is if the bedroom was near the front door we’d go in the back. If the bedroom was in the back, which is usual, then we’d go in the front door. So, it could be that they were trying to get into a door that was farthest from where she would be sleeping.
And that would indicate a lot of casing and knowledge of the inside of the home. Uh, and you know, the only other people who can read a home very well are contractors because they can look at the pipes coming out your roof and tell where the bathrooms are. And the bathrooms are usually right near uh bathrooms are usually right near bedrooms.
So you can get an idea of where where the bedrooms are. >> Also, um we knew that there was this January 11th date that they were asking neighbors about, asking neighbors for video from January 11th, which would have been like a couple weekends before Nancy went missing. Now, neighbors are telling me that when the FBI is showing back up, they’re also asking for video from January 24th, which would have been the Saturday before Nancy went missing, eight days before on a Saturday.
Um, and one neighbor was telling me that they actually went through her cameras with her, like an agent did to help and was helping her and kind of but like they were that, you know, focused on that date, like they wanted to look through it with her and hers just showed wildlife. um and you know they nothing but you know they were they were insistent on that date January 24th now um what what do you think it means and also does it mean anything that both of these dates that they’ve been interested in are on weekends
>> it does um and what that might tell me is that the person who who was casing the place had a job uh had a job during the week and could only get away from work to case the place um and and be able to get enough sleep to get back to work in the morning uh on weekends. So, it could be somebody you’re looking for somebody who has um a Monday through Friday job.
That’s just a theory, but you know, enough theories come together and and you have a you have a uh a working fact. Um and so that, you know, that would be one thing, but obviously the FBI has some kind of lead tip. I I wouldn’t think it would be a tip. You wouldn’t change your interview uh interviews unless the tip was really solid.
But they have some kind of lead, some kind of evidence, maybe some film that leads them to believe that the uh home was cased um on those days or other homes were cased on those days. And this that’s the other thing you have to think about. Nancy may not have been, you know, depending on what this crime turns out to be.
She may not have been the primary victim. She could have been plan B. Uh so it could be that that people were going to different houses. And I would assume that the FBI is uh looking at uh residents who are similar to Nancy, a single single elderly woman living at home. >> Yeah. And there’s a lot of older people around there.
Is it a bad sign though that they keep visiting the same neighbors, the FBI? I mean, does that should that lead us to believe that they’re not making much progress? I I don’t think so. I mean, it it it doesn’t sound like wildly uh you know, doesn’t sound like uh progress so strong it’s hard to keep track of. Um hopefully they’re making some progress.
Uh and that’s, you know, that’s just going to be your litmus test for if we’re doing anything uh right. You have to make some progress somewhere. But, you know, I liken it to doing a jigsaw puzzle and you say, “Oh, I’ve got a piece here, you know, that shows the corner of a building. So now I’m looking for other pieces with a corner of the building.
” And so you give up for a while and you put that piece down and you go, “You know what? I’m going to look for corners of the building again.” And so you try to uh start looking at other thing other uh pieces of evidence. The other thing you do is you change your investigative team sometimes investigative styles uh and other people have different investigative philosophies.
I will investigate different uh than uh even my closest FBI friend. They have a different way of doing it. And so some people may come in and just do it differently. >> Yeah. I guess just a fresh set of eyes kind of thing. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Um I had reported a couple weeks ago that they were using polygraphs to clear people in the case.
Um and the sheriff was quick to come out and say, “Oh, that’s not true. People just saw polygraphs at our building because there was um they were doing like new hires that day.” But that actually wasn’t my report. Like that’s not that wasn’t my source that it was even coming from the sheriff’s office. It was actually the FBI doing the polygraphs.
And it’s interesting, I noticed Megan Kelly reported yesterday that the family members that NY’s family members were specifically cleared because they all passed polygraphs. I didn’t have that part of the reporting. I just knew that they were clearing people in general with polygraphs, but she’s reporting that it’s actually the family members.
Um, did you ever do polygraphs like when you was that something that was part of your investigations in the FBI? >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. And and the polygraph itself is usually um only the the actual test itself is I would say less than half of its value. uh it is the the realization of the person who who you want to polygraph that they will that we will likely be able to tell uh if they’re lying or not.
And so that causes them at that point if especially if you come up to a family member and and you know you you used to broach it like this you’d say listen my job is to catch the person who has your mother or or may have harmed your mother and the problem is statistically it’s usually a family member. So help me eliminate you so I can get to the real work.
help me get through this as fast as possible because it’s just slowing down finding the real person who did it. Then you get three polygraphs in there and uh you talk to them before and after the polygraph and those interviews before and after are as important or more important than the polygraph itself. >> What do you mean by that? Like the interview why were the interviews after more important? A person who believes that they might not pass a polygraph is going to behave differently than somebody who has nothing to do with a crime. Person who has nothing to do with
a crime might be slightly, you know, nervous about taking a polygraph, but you set them at ease and you do all this, you do all this. A person who might who is afraid of being caught is going to show all sorts of uh of psychological and even physical tells. You might see them sweating. You might see them uh their knees bouncing or something like this.
And then in the pre-in you’re going to go over all the questions you’re going to ask. And you can, you know, I don’t want to give away techniques or something, but uh you can go in and say, “Is there anything about this that makes you nervous cuz I see you at, you know, there’s some stress here.
How can I how can I make you feel better? What question bothers you?” So maybe you and I can change the question so that uh you’re not worried about it. And you can delve pretty quickly into why they’re nervous. And uh frequently that will tell you things uh that are important and you can use the opportunity to say now listen if I if if I was testing the person here who was afraid they might get caught on this I would want them to know that they have options that uh they could they could make deals they can do this this isn’t you know polygraph or die you know this
is uh you know let’s get through this And those are as valuable sometimes. In fact, most of the time uh in a criminal case, I think those are more valuable than the actual results because the actual results are not uh admissible in court. The interview before and after are if um has anyone ever failed a polygraph and then do they ever not tell them because they don’t want them to know? Like then you just know, oh maybe this person is a suspect, but you don’t actually tell them that they failed.
Yeah, absolutely true. I mean, absolutely true. I’m not lying. You uh uh you the polygraph is your tool, not theirs. And if the polygraph will work for you in in a way that is helpful, that’s what it’s there for. It is not a defense tool. It is not a defense attorney tool, a prosecutor, it’s an investigative tool.
And so you will use the results of the polygraph or protect the results of the polygraph as best you can because if they come up deceptive uh you know it never says you’re lying but if they come up deceptive um then you may or may not want them to know that. Do they ask normally? Well, how did I do or what happened? I mean, I curious.
>> They always ask. They always ask. It’s kind of like doing an MRI and and you know, you say, “Well, did you find anything?” Oh, we got to read it. You know, I’m not the guy who reads it, you know, this kind of stuff. And so that’s you know, the correct answer. Ouch. Correct answer and a true answer. You know, you have to read it.
You have to analyze it. It doesn’t just have these things where if you cross a line and go it turns red and you’re lying, you know, that’s that’s cartoons. But if you uh you know, you do have to read it. I think though during the polygraph um you got an idea. >> Okay. So yeah, the fact that that there’s now this reporting that the family passed polygraphs, that’s for you a pretty good sign.
I mean that you that that is that reason I mean you know the sheriff came out and said um the family’s cleared officially period >> that would probably like weigh I’m sure that weighed into that decision. >> If the sheriff says it I’m I’m not confident just because he said it. Uh you know I would have to have some kind of validation because the sheriff have said things that I don’t believe to be accurate. Uh so that doesn’t help me.
